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We hear much talk about Trump endangering women's rights without actually naming any rights he will be endangering. What rights does he want to take away? OK, many will say: abortion ... but abortion is not a human right. So why the total hysteria? Some places have declared it to be a legal right . . . but on what grounds can they do this?

As we draw closer to the 44th annual March for Life in Washington DC, on Friday, it is important to remember that the pro-life movement is not something reserved to the Catholic Church, but is a universal cause based on the inalienable right to life that we all have. It doesn’t matter if a person is Catholic, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, atheist or agnostic; men and women of every religion, race and political party are invited to defend the rights of all people from conception to natural death.

Here are some quotes from "celebrities" (we seem to consider such people important nowadays), but people one may not expect to be pro-life and who have been outspoken about the right to life.

“For me, the number one issue is right to life.” – Ben Stein, lawyer, political speech writer and actor.

“I do, as a humanist, believe that the concept ‘unborn child’ is a real one and I think the concept is underlined by all the recent findings of embryology about the early viability of a well conceived human baby… I feel the responsibility to consider the occupant of the womb as a candidate member of society. – Christopher Hitchens, anti-theist, author, journalist, friend of famous atheist Richard Dawkins.

“I find it impossible to subscribe to a philosophy that believes that the destruction of human life is a legitimate solution to a problem that is mostly social, economic and psychological. In reality, most women ‘choose’ abortion because they believe they have no other choice.” – Patricia Heaton, Emmy Award winning actress.

“I’m very contra my constituency in terms of abortion because I’m positively against it. I don’t have the right to any other view.” – Jack Nicholson, Academy Award winning actor.

“I’m considered a liberal except for that unaccountable heresy of recent years that has to do with pro-life matters.” – Nat Hentoff, jazz critic, atheist and author.

“As a scientist I know, not believe, know that human life begins at conception. Although I am not a formal religionist, I believe with all my heart that there is a divinity of existence which commands us to declare a final and irreversible halt to this infinitely sad and shameful crime against humanity.” – Dr. Bernard Nathanson, co-founder of National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL), former abortionist who performed 75,000 abortions.

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A woman has every right to decide whether or not to carry a child and in those areas where they don't allow abortion, many areas practice infanticide. How is that any better?

I support a women's right to abortion and I always will. As a man, you can't really understand what goes into that decision from a woman's point of view and can't defend your stand on any moral high ground because you're not in the trenches fighting the individual and very personal battle between biology and quality of life.

- Erulisse (one L)
How has a woman a RIGHT to abortion? What kind of RIGHT?
On what is the RIGHT based?
all the people you quote have a right to their opinion and belief
their names are recognizable
this list could be countered with equally recognizable names that are pro-choice

if that is your belief you have a right to express it and live it
you do not have the right to force me or others who do not share that belief to have our lives limited by your belief

i do NOT believe life begins at conception
i believe as rational human beings we have the right to end our life when we so choose

a woman has a human right to her health
she has the right to control her own body
no pro-choice woman would deny another woman contraceptives or insist she have an abortion
but anti-choice women (and certainly men) would deny a woman a medical procedure that could save her life or make her life and the lives of her children better

What right do you have to impose your beliefs on those who do not share them?
I do not impose anything on anyone.
I state what I believe.
Others have other beliefs.
Unfortunately, the poor child can't state his/her position.
You are very obsessed with abortion, aren't you? It is, in fact, darkening the glass you look through.

Women are concerned with abortion among a laundry list of complaints, much like men. We are concerned with access to health care in general: cancer screenings, cancer care, menopausal care, hormonal-based medicines that may be used for birth control but are also medically proscribed for a great deal of other issues, including things like PCOS and managing menstruation.

You know. The fundamental basics.

Maybe women concerned because he's a serial abuser who demeans and belittles women because they are women. That he has been caught bragging about committing assault. His favorite country Russia is attempting to decriminalize domestic abuse, usually focused on women, something that is already ridiculously difficult to prosecute in the US. Maybe it's because he perpetuates the issue of paying women less for the same work.

Or maybe, just maybe, that it's all of these things and significantly more. Women are not exempted from worrying about the environment, the economy, intellectual and religious freedoms. Maybe we're worried because African Americans-- men and women-- are being targeted by people in authority. After all, white women aren't faced with a $25,000 fine for protesting, and if they're stopped by a police man they aren't immediately concerned they might not survive the encounter. Maybe it's because he's threatened to refuse an entire religion from entering the country and his official followers have wondered out loud if internment camps are a good thing.

As a religious person yourself, how can you possibly ignore that? Your mono-focused refusal to listen to or understand the many issues the march encompassed is your failing, and yours alone. Maybe you ought to wonder why.
what a splendid reply!!!
three cheers and thank you ladycat for telling what women are concerned about and why we march

it brings to mind an old union song Bread and Roses

please stop being so judgemental against women!

Abortion is not a solution. Solutions must be sought elsewhere.
Yes, but solutions to what? What do you think people are using abortions to solve?
So why the total hysteria?

The total hysteria? You missed the fact that there is now an anti-choice ultra-right President with an ultra-right Congress? Or that the other day he despicably decided to enforce the global gag rule, which likely will mean worse health care in general for women since it will prevent money going to organizations that even talk about abortion?

Not to mention that people don't like their long-held civil rights threatened? We can add that Trump and the Republicans have essentially taken a seat on the Supreme Court which President Obama should have appointed by unprecedented means? There are a lot of reasons for people to be upset.

Some places have declared it to be a legal right . . . but on what grounds can they do this? By law and court. Abortion is a right. Actually a fair number of Catholics in the US are ok with abortion; I've seen in years past where the number is around 50%.

Cherry picking a few people who are anti-choice isn't helping your argument.

I see you didn't actually read my comment to your post yesterday - or if you did you didn't understand it.

I believe in life after birth... I believe in health care for women with new born babies, I believe in health care for those infants, I believe in an society that ensures babies are loved, fed, clothed, and then get the chance to become toddlers and children who are loved, fed, clothed, and educated.

Your current posts imply that actually you only believe in life up to the point of the first breath being important and thereafter you actually don't care.

Which is very sad as you were a teacher.
I too believe in all those things you mention provided the child is allowed reach that point.
I can't anymore with you. Good-bye.
Sorry about that. I am simply reflecting on a very serious problem in life today.