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THIS I BELIEVE. THE CATHOLIC CREED

I believe in one God, the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

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I stood there sunday after sunday
saying that

i began to think
well, maybe as metaphor
but not literally

did the church mean it literally?

there is no heaven up to come down from
nor to go up to

resurrection of the dead?
in real bodies?
where would everybody go?

and i began to question more

this creed might have solved problems in Nicea in the 4th century but it said nothing i could believe in now

and so i had to leave
i believe in the unity of the community
i could not stand with them and say what i no longer believed
Briefly:

What gives meaning to YOUR life?
i'll answer here because it came in on my email
rather than with the new question you posed on your site
and because it's very personal - i assume you will see it but most people won't be going back this far

it was five years after i walked out saying it was false for me to stand there with a believing community
five years of reading and thinking and trying to find what i did believe

in that time i discovered women who saw divinity as She - the Goddess
there was freedom to shape one's own beliefs - to interpret it in ways that were personally meaningful

i came to the conclusion that belief and a way to express if were human needs
that cultures have always shaped images and rituals to meet this need

and so i made my own
over the years and it has been more than 30 - i have found a way that is comfortable for me to reach something i need that is greater than myself
more that that i will nor define here
only to say i have my practices - they give stability and comfort to my life
Disappointing.
LOL!!!
sorry to disappoint
what did you expect?

after all, my work was in religious studies
i taught Old and New Testament
my concentration was old testament
all of that came with me - is part of me
so i needed to fashion a path that looks familiar - and i did

i have a daily practice based on all those years of studying and speaking on sacramental theology - it has gotten me through some rough spots

it's all just words
Yahweh - Abba -Jesus - Mohamed - Inanna - Yemaya- The Great Mother
the name is what the individual gives and calls
the intent is what counts

some people are formed by their culture and that is wonderful
others must find a different way that is already established
and some must shape their own path

could i have held on to a more metaphorical Christianity?
would a more gnostic approach appealed?
I read and thought

but when i found a divinity that looked like me - understood me - it was irresistible!
and i had the freedom to form my belief in a way that had meaning for me
you may find that troubling
but Christianity is full of do-it-yourself reformers and saints

i am curious
what did you expect my answer to be?

Edited at 2017-01-28 17:46 (UTC)
I was interested in how your average day and relationships reflect what you believe about life. Is there a 'right' or 'wrong' etc. Or is all gloriously vague and changeable? What do you see lacking in my beliefs or does it matter?
i don't see anything lacking in your beliefs
i think it is splendid when someone can find fulfillment in a given belief system
it is so much easier
i may disagree with you but i am happy that you find comfort in your system
i like intellectual dispute
unlike some here i don't take it personally
maybe it's all those years in grad school lol

my average day
i have an "office" - yes ,fashioned after divine office some of which i said for years
a collection of material some written by me , some collected from other people's writings!
i spend time with it and with looking for the strength i need to do what needs to be done that day - sometimes i need to sweep away the fears and doubts that are clouding me

i am, indeed, a hermit- living on the tip of a rural island
i have my family and my community organizations - there is work to be done each day
but days go by and i see no one except my family

i suppose i am a humanist
there are no absolutes - no "right" or "wrong"
there is good and less good and not good
i look ay each thing- each idea - and try to understand

i have my angers - my dislikes - my strong feelings
there are even people i have negative thoughts about
but i wish no one ill

i try to live a simple life with the cycles of nature
i am a hermit : )

does that answer your question at all?

Thank you. Yes that is something like what I was looking for. It can be of help to me as I try to live out my own convictions.