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The U.N. Committee for the Protection of the Child issued its conclusions to the Vatican report tackling sex abuse cases. The report asks the Holy See to take a tougher stance and clearer steps on the issue. But the commission undermined its efforts by asking the Vatican to reverse its teachings on abortion (worst form of sex abuse) or homosexuality; something not likely to happen.

I see the BBC is running big on that UN report. Perhaps that same UN committee ought to call in the BBC itself given what some of its employees seem to have been up to down the years.

Or the same UN might have a review of its own thousands of sex crimes in the Congo: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/UnitedNations/story?id=489306&page=1

Or the thousands of Boy Scouts abused in the US: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9619023/Boy-Scouts-abuse-files-released.html

Comments

What you say of the Beeb is true but that doesn't let the church off the hook in my book- that is simply to continue to avoid the issues.

And what is one to make of the fact that Boy Scouts of America is a deeply homophobic organisation so the gay community can't be blamed for this one. They are excluded from participation.

Child abuse is overwhelmimgly a straight, male crime and believe me, I know- my abuser was straight and male.
Certainly the Church should not be left off the hook but there must have been a hell of a lot of abuse going on.
Am I the only innocent abroad that knew nothing (or but vaguely) about it?
Yes, because the sexual abuse of children is always concealed, and the power wielded by and status accorded to priests and TV stars enables them to conceal it all the more easily. And if a father can conceal his abuse of his own child form his wife in their home, how much easier would it be for a corrupt priest to conceal his misdemeanours from his less worldly brothers?

There is link between your church's position on human reproductive and sexual rights and the opprobrium and disgust it is facing over the child abuse it has tolerated, concealed and denied.

It is now viewed as a church that uses scripture and dogma and faith to compel women, often in the most desperate of circumstances to bear children, even where that birth will jeopardise their own life and mental wellbeing, or the life and circumstances of their existing children, because it claims that life begins at conception and is sacred. Yet look at the paltry value it has placed on the lives and wellbeing of the children in its care, defiling their bodies with no regard for thei souls.

It is now viewed as a church that issues dictats about whom one may love and cherish, and how; one that condemns certain acts as abominations and compels believers who go against those rulings - or long to - to a life of shame and misery and self-hatred. Yet it condones - by concealment - rape and pederasty when practised by those who make those very pronouncements from the pulpit and have sworn to be celibate.

The church will never get over this crisis unless it acknowledges and addresses that deep hypocrisy at the heart of the scandal.

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But the commission undermined its efforts by asking the Vatican to reverse its teachings on abortion (worst form of sex abuse) or homosexuality

Just so we're clear, you do realize you randomly added people to your friends list on the one of the most liberal blogging sites out there, right? Either way, I hope you understand why you're getting criticism for comments like these.

As for the homosexuality comment, as someone else already pointed out, sexuality has nothing to do with it, nor gender. Perversion is not passion. Gay men, and straight women, love each other. Adults who hurt children are perverts who do it out of the need for control.
I do not consider comments posted as criticisms - I consider them as other peoples' views on the subject.
quite so.
I get your point, but because abuse is happening in the BBC or UN doesn't make it okay for the Vatican. They should all clean up their acts!

As a gay man, perhaps I am not the right person to comment on the Vatican's teaching on homosexuality.
I would like sometime to hear your views on homosexuality.

Does it involve oral and/or anal sexual practices?

If so I could not accept it - if only for sanitary reasons.
Has the Vatican ever reversed itself on anything? :o
Hugs, Jon
Galileo and the earth-centered universe.

Granted, it took them a few centuries to officially apologize long after everyone had realized he was true...
But, you know..

it doesn't matter that the U.N. committee mixed up (knowingly?) Canon Law (which is none of their businness) with territorial jurisdiction (which is), it doesn't matter that they ignored everything in the report bishop Parolin submitted (up to and including the last two Popes' 'zero tolerance' policy), so much so that the conclusions feel written in advance of his hearing, it doesn't matter that by no stretch of imagination 'abortion' and 'child protection' belong together.

The Church has to be wrong, because...it is the Church.

The report asks the Holy See to take a tougher stance and clearer steps on the issue. But the commission undermined its efforts by asking the Vatican to reverse its teachings on abortion (worst form of sex abuse) or homosexuality; something not likely to happen.

I don't see how that undermines it's message at all. The Church (especially in the States) was extremely hurt by the sex abuse scandals. It is true that neither the Church will likely not change it's sadly antiquated views on homosexuality nor abortion, but that does nothing to change that more clearly needs to be done regarding the terrible things unearthed around a decade ago.

I really hope you answer this, but how is abortion, in our words, the "worst form of sex abuse"!?!?! I know we differ on this, but abortion isn't at all sex abuse and I'm baffled to know how you could see it as so.


As regard your last: of course you are right. The wording should read "the worst kind of child abuse".

As regards the other: is it not a case of the UN trying to 'bargain' - 'We'll shut up annoying you about child sex abuse if you give in on abortion and homosexuality'?

Of course everything possible must be done by the Church to remedy its terrible sins in this matter of child abuse.

Edited at 2014-02-06 17:00 (UTC)
Yes, it does seem they are taking a stronger stance from where I sit.