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So the American people have once again celebrated the Fourth of July!

The Fourth of July is a celebration of Independence, but is it a Religious Holiday? What has Religion to do with Independence Day? you may ask. Independence, like all the rights of man, comes not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.

JFK in an Independence Day speech once said: “Our government was founded on the essential religious idea of integrity of the individual. It was this religious sense which inspired the authors of the Declaration of Independence: ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights.’”

Religious Freedom is a fundamental right that must be actively guarded in every country. What approach to religious freedom has the US today? Is not American culture now trending against religious freedom? And, after so many centuries of Christian faith, is not Ireland now out-stripping the States in this?


yes, the "fundies" try to co opt things
like making abortion impossible for poor women
but it is LEGAL here
the religious right tries to undo our legal protection
some also try to make contraception expensive and therefore unavailable to a poor woman
they try to defund Planned Parenthood which provides women - especially poor women - with all kinds of health services

these efforts deny women religious freedom
the freedom of conscience
the freedom to make individual decisions about their own bodies

the religious right tries to undermine the teaching our young people about their bodies including reproduction and how to prevent pregnancy and sexual diseases by mandating "abstinence only" courses
does this deny the freedom of others?
sexual activity is not mandated
on can follow one's beliefs in this area freely
except, of course, if your beliefs are not those of the religious right

they "fundies" try to make exceptions which permit denial of services to those who they consider "sinners"
because serving them would violate their religious belief
the spirit of the Puritans of Boston has never been totally cleansed from our land

and it can be avoided - with an elastic conscience
many years ago i had a catholic GYN who would not write an Rx for birth control pills but he had his non catholic partner do it
regrettably, the nuns in the hospital case did not have that elasticity
they were offered having a third party provide reproductive insurance to their female employees
all they had to do was sign so the company could do so
they said signing would violate their conscience and their "religious freedom"
whose freedom is being violated?
You're on your rant again!
'conscience' does not overrule natural law.
yours is the only place i can really rant
so much is boring!

you asked about the situation in the US and i was explaining : )

what natural law?
what law says a woman must have a baby against her will?

remember for much of history the seed of a child was thought to be only in semen
the uterus merely housed it
life did not exist until it was felt to be moving

every pairing of ova and sperm does not result in conception
ergo we can be selective and use our intelligence in choosing when to facilitate the process

if contraception was understood and available and universally practiced then abortion would be needed in only extreme cases - rape - incest - medical necessity
statistics show that where sex ed and reliable contraception is the norm abortion rates drop

Edited at 2018-07-06 16:35 (UTC)
"what natural law?
what law says a woman must have a baby against her will?"

Natural Law has for thousands of years been called the Ten Commandments. The Fifth forbids murder of another person - even a 'baby'.
that's not quite true
but i don't have time or energy to go into archeology - ancient history - biological science
let alone philosophy

but if it makes you happy
it doesn't matter to me

i am more concerned with today's legal - psychological - economic realities
one groups religious beliefs - no matter what they are based on - can not in a democracy impinge on another groups equally held beliefs

Edited at 2018-07-06 22:30 (UTC)
So -- you oppose the Civil Rights Acts? The civil rights movement positively OOZED religious beliefs.
i oppose one set of beliefs imposing their practices on another
religious belief may inform conscience but they are not the basis for law
there are secular norms and precedents that inform law
So, you oppose the Civil Rights Acts. The secular norms were all against it.
it is quite pointless to try to discuss with you
i lived through it
night Mary : )
If you lived through it, you know how religious it was.

One almost speculates that you have a double standard there, and are not honestly advancing a reason you actually believe.
I'm pretty sure conscience is the final arbiter, in the end. But we do have a responsibility to make sure it's properly formed.
How true!