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Where Bury Richard III?

Richard IIIThe skeleton of the English king, Richard III, has been discovered in Leicester. He was killed in the battle of Bosworth in 1485. Apparently there is some trouble about where he should be buried. Should he be buried in Leicester Cathedral near where his bones were found, should he be buried in a medieval church, should he be buried in a modern Catholic Church, or should he be buried in Westminster Abbey?

Does it matter? But he was a Catholic after all.

'Babi Yar'
This evening, moved by a post in LJ,  I've been reading this powerful poem by Yevgeni Yevtushenko in a translation by Benjamin Okopnik. It is about antisemitism and the dreadful massacre of the Jews in the valley of Babi Yar in the Ukraine in 1941. I highly recommend it.  http://remember.org/witness/babiyar.html 
and see short video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q57sy0ZVDO0

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I would say Westminster Abbey since that is where most notable British people are buried. If it helps, it used to be a Roman Catholic abbey, but we Anglican Catholics stole it, not that it makes much difference in this day and age, in my personal opinion.

On the other hand, maybe they should re-inter him in his original grave and erect a memorial over it. I think it's only going to be a car park, isn't it?

I don't really like the way archaeologists take it upon themselves to dig people up.
I think he should stay in Leicester for all that he was Richard of York. York didn't take in the body after he died and Leicester gave him a proper burial (no carparks there at that time) and is the only place in England so far as I understand that even put up a proper memorial for him. As to Catholic or Protestant, he was a Christian and I don't think that 400 years later it matters, does it? And for Westminster Abbey, think how many other kings are buried elsewhere - Henry VIII at St. George's Windsor, the early Plantagenets in France at Fontevrault, Henry IV at Canterbury, Edward II in Gloucester, John in Worcester among others.
Regulations state nearest consecrated ground which is Leicester Abbey.

The heart might state York Minster as he was , after all, a Yorkshire tyke.

Everyone in England was Catholic in Richard's day of course but that becomes somewhat meaningless at this distance from the events and the other side of a religious reformation.

King Stephen was also Catholic, naturally enough for a 12th century monarch and he lies in All Saints Faversham, just down the road from us. It was the abbey church of his own foundation but is now a C of E parish church.

I don't suppose Stephen of Mortaine is complaining too much. He's still where he wanted to be. :o)
Is there anything of Greyfriars church grounds still extant?

Had poor Richard been given that horse he was looking for he may have escaped and found his own place for burial.
Not much above ground, I believe.

Btw, I'm so glad you found Babi Yar. It hit me so hard as a teenager, that poem, before I knew anything of my own family background and it has just stayed with me. Yevtushenko is a very fine poet. I simply can't write about the topic myself as I was saying to an Israeli friend yesterday- in some ways, I wish I could but some things are just too uncomfortable to deal with easily and this is me saying it!

Btw, never all it 'the Ukraine' around Ukranians! That brings back memories of the Soviet occupation of their country. It's just Ukraine.
Thanks