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Roe v. Wade

babyPresident Obama issued a statement today to mark the forty-first anniversary of Roe v. Wade. A mere paragraph long, it contains enough euphemism, evasion, and outright falsehood to serve simultaneously as a model of dissimulation and concision. (from First Things website)

Personally  I go with that completely.

Here’s the statement in full:

"Today, as we reflect on the 41st anniversary of the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade, we recommit ourselves to the decision’s guiding principle: that every woman should be able to make her own choices about her body and her health. We reaffirm our steadfast commitment to protecting a woman’s access to safe, affordable health care and her constitutional right to privacy, including the right to reproductive freedom. And we resolve to reduce the number of unintended pregnancies, support maternal and child health, and continue to build safe and healthy communities for all our children. Because this is a country where everyone deserves the same freedom and opportunities to fulfil their dreams".

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I do not see any of those things. It seems to me like a straightforward statement in support of a woman's right to choose, birth control, and healthcare. But then I'm a woman and an atheist and a liberal.
I suppose far right neocons, fascists, Christianists, woman haters and misogynists might see it in that light. It sounds pretty much bang on the nail to me.

As I've said before, my body, my choice.
I'm not seeing evasion and lies here. I'm seeing a thoughtful statement allowing women's reproductive choices and freedom and, as a woman, I think these freedoms are essential and fundamental. We can improve, of course, but Roe vs Wade was a milestone and much needed.

- Erulisse (one L)
Thank you. Well said.
I fully understand that there are people who find the idea of abortion abhorrent. But this must be held up against the fact that legal abortion saves the lives of women. When abortion is illegal, women still act to terminate their pregnancies, the difference is that may of those women die, too.

Though I am definitely with Obama in that it is altogether better to prevent unplanned pregnancies. I am a massive believer in birth control, which is a more sensible choice all round. Because in a world where even nuns get pregnant, it's a wilful fallacy to pretend that people are only ever going to have sex with a design to procreate. And if you do not give women the options to prevent unwanted pregancies, you DO damn them to a life of limited options and economic insecurity, which adversely affects every child they will ever have.
I agree with your last paragraph so much.

I don't think abortion should ever be taken lightly, but instead of making the choice for every woman about what she should do with her body, and risking many lives that are lost to botched abortions, birth control and sexual education should be pushed, not limited. That's what I believe.

And yes, it's a social belief that people should only have sex to procreate, not a natural one. I believe the social belief came in handy at one point in history, but it overstayed its rationale by a long shot. A really long shot. This isn't to say I don't respect a woman's choice to abstain - I'm pro-choice in all respects; however, I don't think we can necessarily expect it.
seems perfectly clear to me.
And what would you have it say?
Taking the life of a person deliberately is always murder.
HURRAY FOR OBAMA!!!!
Yes! to the women who have spoken here!
A lump of cells is NOT a person
A fetus that can not survive outside the womb is NOT a person.
They are parasites living on a woman's body.
Women are not incubators.
Women must be able to control their bodies. Full personhood demands that we determine our own future, make our own choices.

If men got pregnant abortion would be as common an viagra. More common because men, as a species, want sexual freedom and less responsibility.

We are making progress toward having equal interest and responsibility for children with both men and women.
We are making progress toward responsible intercourse with both men and women taking responsibility for contraception.
We are, I hope, moving toward a world where a child is a planned and wanted family member.

Thank you to men who support the aspirations of women!
Is not an elephant fetus still an elephant?
I was struggling to leave a comment that would represent what I think of your belief that the president's statements were full of lies without insulting you or getting too emotional but it seems that lil shepard and cmcmck and most of the other commenter s did this for me. You friended me just recently and so far most of your posts are religious and/or conservative. I believe everyone has their own opinions and has a right to voice them but I just really wonder what it is we have in common enough to want to be friends here. Once again you have offended me. First by asking Atheists to justify their existence by asking if they even have any meaning to their life and now saying that wanting to protecting a woman’s access to safe, affordable health care and her constitutional right to privacy, including the right to reproductive freedom is a euphemism, evasion, and outright falsehood to serve simultaneously as a model of dissimulation and concision. Why are we friends again?
Yep. Going through the same thought process here.
Agree in full (with you, I mean).
Obviously good people can disagree on this issue; ideally, they'll disagree without accusing the other side of "outright falsehood."

And I must say, as gently as possibly, which is not very gently -- after the Savita Halappanavar case, you don't really get to claim the moral high ground.
Yes!!! Yes yes yes. Well done :) Thanks tx cronopio!
I'm not seeing any lies or falsehoods whatsoever (and I had read the statement when it was released earlier, so I read it again to see if I had missed something.)

I do know people who have been physically assaulted by anti-choice protesters and know that quite a bit of their information tends to be incorrect (the abortions cause cancer bs has been disproven so many times again and again, for example, but even yesterday on Roe Day I read another anti-piece claiming it was real.)

The problem we have in this country are the multitude of anti-choice laws that keep getting passed by legislatures in an attempt to prevent people from exercising their rights.
Given the climate in the US, this, which would be seen as a statement of self evident fact anywhere else in the developed world, is incredibly brave.

Which of the statements do you think is false?

Every woman should be able to make her own choices about her body and her health?

A woman should have access to safe, affordable health care?

And a constitutional right to privacy?

The right to reproductive freedom (to say 'No' if she wishes, to have access to sex education and contraception)?

Or do you believe the President is lying when he says that he resolves to reduce the number of unintended pregnancies, support maternal and child health, and continue to build safe and healthy communities for all our children? (As it happens his personal resolve in this case may be meaningless, but it's not an absolute lie).

Or maybe he does not believe that America is a country where everyone deserves the same freedom and opportunities to fulfil their dreams. I choose to believe that's an honest statement - if it;s a lie then he is violating his Oath and should resign at once.
"And a constitutional right to privacy?"

If I kill my living child have I a constitutional right to privacy?
Oh? And what was this, if not murder? It's funny-- hysterical, actually-- that such ardent foes of abortion are so often men, who will NEVER be pregnant or suffer death at the hands of an indifferent state because abortion is illegal.

It's not funny - it's unfortunately logical, because it's all about controlling women in body and mind.
While I am a bit conservative on things, I am for the right of a woman to make her own choice. May no female that you love ever come to a point where she has to make such a choice. Rape and incest still are around. Poor women are still poor and may be beaten for refusing their husband... All so many things.... At this I will unfriend you. May you find peace on your journey
I wonder why so many (mostly women) feel so cross about my post. I ask myself why there are no anti-abortion comments?

Is it that those women who are in favour of abortion are questioning their own attitude to it and are still not sure of their stance?
The women posting here seem quite sure of their stance. My thought on why they're so cross is that they rightly think no one has the right to tell them they must stay pregnant, that a fetus has more legal rights than they do, that a fetus's life is more important than theirs. Consider that poor woman who died because she was refused an abortion. That's what happens when politics and religion intrude on something that should be solely between a woman and her doctor.
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